Comments on: The Huckabeean Revolt http://larison.org/2007/11/26/the-huckabeean-revolt/ n. the principle of good order "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:25:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: James Kabala http://larison.org/2007/11/26/the-huckabeean-revolt/#comment-8183 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:28:30 +0000 http://larison.org/2007/11/26/the-huckabeean-revolt/#comment-8183 I have always assumed that speeding and similar actions like jaywalking, running a red light, or parking in a no-parking zone were venial sins in most cases, although they could be justified in certain circumstances. (I frequently have to deal with "push the button for a walk sign" intersections where the walk sign takes ages to go on even after the button is pushed, and if the coast is clear I usually just go for it.) Why wouldn't laws against these actions be regarded as covered by Romans 13:1? I have always assumed that speeding and similar actions like jaywalking, running a red light, or parking in a no-parking zone were venial sins in most cases, although they could be justified in certain circumstances. (I frequently have to deal with “push the button for a walk sign” intersections where the walk sign takes ages to go on even after the button is pushed, and if the coast is clear I usually just go for it.) Why wouldn’t laws against these actions be regarded as covered by Romans 13:1?

]]> by: kevinjjones http://larison.org/2007/11/26/the-huckabeean-revolt/#comment-8180 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:47:29 +0000 http://larison.org/2007/11/26/the-huckabeean-revolt/#comment-8180 Sure, Huckabee displays a sloppy confusion between malum prohibitum and malum in se, but his answer was a tedious response to a tedious cliche. Huckabee's dodge of the federalism question was more notable, I think. Sure, Huckabee displays a sloppy confusion between malum prohibitum and malum in se, but his answer was a tedious response to a tedious cliche.

Huckabee’s dodge of the federalism question was more notable, I think.

]]> by: M.Z. Forrest http://larison.org/2007/11/26/the-huckabeean-revolt/#comment-8178 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:48:39 +0000 http://larison.org/2007/11/26/the-huckabeean-revolt/#comment-8178 There's a lot going on there. I would like to say that whenever we establish a law we make a moral choice - and this isn't a perfect construct either - was what he was attempting to say. I'm afraid there is more of an Enlightenment ideal present, the idea of being a covenant people. I'm not familiar enough with his theology to offer broad commentary. There are some serious cohesion issues there. There’s a lot going on there. I would like to say that whenever we establish a law we make a moral choice - and this isn’t a perfect construct either - was what he was attempting to say. I’m afraid there is more of an Enlightenment ideal present, the idea of being a covenant people. I’m not familiar enough with his theology to offer broad commentary. There are some serious cohesion issues there.

]]> by: Leonard http://larison.org/2007/11/26/the-huckabeean-revolt/#comment-8177 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:32:10 +0000 http://larison.org/2007/11/26/the-huckabeean-revolt/#comment-8177 I picture Huckabee at the wheel, trying to hold it to 65 as all the traffic whips by him. Sinners, sinners, they're all sinners oh Lord. Save us from the sodomites of the road! He goes down a hill and notices a cop with someone pulled over. Good! Thank you oh Lord for hearing my prayer. God bless the highway patrol! But righteously intent on the necessary humiliation of a sinner, Huck has not been paying attention. He looks down and is horrified to see the needle on the speedometer at <i>67 mile an hour</i>! Oh Lord help me!! I picture Huckabee at the wheel, trying to hold it to 65 as all the traffic whips by him. Sinners, sinners, they’re all sinners oh Lord. Save us from the sodomites of the road! He goes down a hill and notices a cop with someone pulled over. Good! Thank you oh Lord for hearing my prayer. God bless the highway patrol!

But righteously intent on the necessary humiliation of a sinner, Huck has not been paying attention. He looks down and is horrified to see the needle on the speedometer at 67 mile an hour! Oh Lord help me!!

]]> by: Daniel Larison http://larison.org/2007/11/26/the-huckabeean-revolt/#comment-8175 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:21:32 +0000 http://larison.org/2007/11/26/the-huckabeean-revolt/#comment-8175 If that's what he meant, he said it entirely wrong. I would be glad to think that he didn't mean what he said. But the man is an ordained minister and a preacher. He has some training in how to use language, and he has presumably given at least some thought to the relationship between law and morality during his career, so I am not persuaded that he just flubbed his lines. He said that morality is based in conventional agreement and established through law. I would like to know how many of the people who liked him so much at the Values Voters Summit would agree with that statement. It's a striking thing for the self-proclaimed "Christian leader" to say, regardless of whether he was clumsy in his expression or not. If that’s what he meant, he said it entirely wrong. I would be glad to think that he didn’t mean what he said. But the man is an ordained minister and a preacher. He has some training in how to use language, and he has presumably given at least some thought to the relationship between law and morality during his career, so I am not persuaded that he just flubbed his lines. He said that morality is based in conventional agreement and established through law. I would like to know how many of the people who liked him so much at the Values Voters Summit would agree with that statement. It’s a striking thing for the self-proclaimed “Christian leader” to say, regardless of whether he was clumsy in his expression or not.

]]> by: ducinaltum http://larison.org/2007/11/26/the-huckabeean-revolt/#comment-8171 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:32:17 +0000 http://larison.org/2007/11/26/the-huckabeean-revolt/#comment-8171 Oh come on, ease up a bit brother. I don't think that's what he was saying that at all. My impression is that he was saying that all law is inherently based on "morality" to mean, the projection of values. I assume he said this to counter the very dreary and oft-spoken rant of leftists, ie "don't shove your morality down my throat through law". I don't imagine that he holds the belief you infer: namely that all laws are moral or the inverse. Or that something doesn't become "moral" (ie banning abortion) until it is enshrined in law. Perhaps he was a bit inelegant with using "moral" instead of "morality" but he has nothing like your way with words. Oh come on, ease up a bit brother.

I don’t think that’s what he was saying that at all.

My impression is that he was saying that all law is inherently based on “morality” to mean, the projection of values. I assume he said this to counter the very dreary and oft-spoken rant of leftists, ie “don’t shove your morality down my throat through law”.

I don’t imagine that he holds the belief you infer: namely that all laws are moral or the inverse.

Or that something doesn’t become “moral” (ie banning abortion) until it is enshrined in law.

Perhaps he was a bit inelegant with using “moral” instead of “morality” but he has nothing like your way with words.

]]> by: kranza http://larison.org/2007/11/26/the-huckabeean-revolt/#comment-8169 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:26:25 +0000 http://larison.org/2007/11/26/the-huckabeean-revolt/#comment-8169 Well, maybe he's this crazy but it could be he's just trying to say highfaluting thinky things about Law and Justice but he doesn't know how so it comes out rather senseless. Maybe. It is more likely that he's crazy, I admit. I would get into how this little philosphy of his squares with his belief that our immigration laws are immoral but I'm afraid the incongruity of it all could make my head explode. Well, maybe he’s this crazy but it could be he’s just trying to say highfaluting thinky things about Law and Justice but he doesn’t know how so it comes out rather senseless. Maybe. It is more likely that he’s crazy, I admit.

I would get into how this little philosphy of his squares with his belief that our immigration laws are immoral but I’m afraid the incongruity of it all could make my head explode.

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