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	<title>Comments on: The Ban, Revisited</title>
	<link>http://larison.org/2007/10/24/the-ban-revisited/</link>
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		<title>by: Howard J. Harrison</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/10/24/the-ban-revisited/#comment-7964</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I neglected to mention that Elvis is right, too:

&lt;blockquote&gt;RedState is the fanatical, rigidly politically correct fever swamp that conservatives fantasize DailyKos to be.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Spot on.  It's too bad, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I neglected to mention that Elvis is right, too:</p>
<blockquote><p>RedState is the fanatical, rigidly politically correct fever swamp that conservatives fantasize DailyKos to be.</p></blockquote>
<p>Spot on.  It&#8217;s too bad, really.
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		<title>by: Howard J. Harrison</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/10/24/the-ban-revisited/#comment-7963</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Carter wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I was curious how they would react to James Watson’s remarks and discovered they’ve banned discussions of race/genetics/IQ as well. If it’s not on a fax from the RNC it’s dangerous to think.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Carter is right.  Can we go hyberbolic for a moment?  RedState should change its name to Sturmabteilung Standarte RedState.  Old Ernst Roehm would have disagreed with RedState's politics, but with its brownshirt editorial sensibilities, he would have felt right at home.  Daniel naturally is 100 percent correct that RedState is a private forum whose editors can run it however they like, but the irony is brilliant: the Daily Kos handles opposition more gracefully than RedState does.

And, by the way, I who offer this view am no Ron Paul supporter; I happen to prefer Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney.  Such as stance does not stop me from recognizing brownshirtism when I see it.

RedState's editors are too uptight to see their own problem.  It's not that &lt;em&gt;anything goes&lt;/em&gt; ought to be their editorial policy, or yours, or mine; but what they're doing is reacting to criticism which is at least partially meritorious by banning it, because it upsets them really to have to think the criticism through.  All this shows is that RedState's editors are grown up enough to recycle "a fax from the RNC," but not to run a major forum on RedState's scale.

RedState wants to serve as the Republican Kos, which is a fine ambition, but let's face it: it is failing---and not through lack of interest, only through lack of editorial discretion.  If the ground is not fertile now to grow a conservative replacement for RedState, then when will it be?

Daniel, if you have ambition along these lines, then now is the time to assemble your team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carter wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I was curious how they would react to James Watson’s remarks and discovered they’ve banned discussions of race/genetics/IQ as well. If it’s not on a fax from the RNC it’s dangerous to think.</p></blockquote>
<p>Carter is right.  Can we go hyberbolic for a moment?  RedState should change its name to Sturmabteilung Standarte RedState.  Old Ernst Roehm would have disagreed with RedState&#8217;s politics, but with its brownshirt editorial sensibilities, he would have felt right at home.  Daniel naturally is 100 percent correct that RedState is a private forum whose editors can run it however they like, but the irony is brilliant: the Daily Kos handles opposition more gracefully than RedState does.</p>
<p>And, by the way, I who offer this view am no Ron Paul supporter; I happen to prefer Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney.  Such as stance does not stop me from recognizing brownshirtism when I see it.</p>
<p>RedState&#8217;s editors are too uptight to see their own problem.  It&#8217;s not that <em>anything goes</em> ought to be their editorial policy, or yours, or mine; but what they&#8217;re doing is reacting to criticism which is at least partially meritorious by banning it, because it upsets them really to have to think the criticism through.  All this shows is that RedState&#8217;s editors are grown up enough to recycle &#8220;a fax from the RNC,&#8221; but not to run a major forum on RedState&#8217;s scale.</p>
<p>RedState wants to serve as the Republican Kos, which is a fine ambition, but let&#8217;s face it: it is failing&#8212;and not through lack of interest, only through lack of editorial discretion.  If the ground is not fertile now to grow a conservative replacement for RedState, then when will it be?</p>
<p>Daniel, if you have ambition along these lines, then now is the time to assemble your team.
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		<title>by: Daniel Larison</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/10/24/the-ban-revisited/#comment-7948</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I appreciate the point about censorship.  Most critics of the move, including myself, have been stressing its folly and attacking it along those lines.  The point about Kos generally seems right.  Comparing the two sites serve as a useful answer to the question why the "rightroots" never accomplishes anything.  

Chris, many *voters* generally are unserious, conspiracy (or celebrity) obsessed idiots and don't really deserve a hearing, if we are determining desert by value of contribution, but all the rest of them are having their say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the point about censorship.  Most critics of the move, including myself, have been stressing its folly and attacking it along those lines.  The point about Kos generally seems right.  Comparing the two sites serve as a useful answer to the question why the &#8220;rightroots&#8221; never accomplishes anything.  </p>
<p>Chris, many *voters* generally are unserious, conspiracy (or celebrity) obsessed idiots and don&#8217;t really deserve a hearing, if we are determining desert by value of contribution, but all the rest of them are having their say.
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		<title>by: Roach</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/10/24/the-ban-revisited/#comment-7947</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Of course, many Paul supporters are unserious, conspiracy-obsessed idiots and don't deserve a hearing, even though Paul himself occasionally says something worth listening to.  So if this trend emerged at Red State, I can't say I think the policy is a bad one, any more than banning people that talk about "Who Really Blew Up the Towers?" or other such nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, many Paul supporters are unserious, conspiracy-obsessed idiots and don&#8217;t deserve a hearing, even though Paul himself occasionally says something worth listening to.  So if this trend emerged at Red State, I can&#8217;t say I think the policy is a bad one, any more than banning people that talk about &#8220;Who Really Blew Up the Towers?&#8221; or other such nonsense.
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		<title>by: Carter</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/10/24/the-ban-revisited/#comment-7943</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I was curious how they would react to James Watson's remarks and discovered they've &lt;a href="http://www.redstate.com/blogs/thomas/2007/oct/17/a_fairly_important_note_on_diaries" rel="nofollow"&gt;banned discussions of race/genetics/IQ &lt;/a&gt; as well. If it's not on a fax from the RNC it's dangerous to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was curious how they would react to James Watson&#8217;s remarks and discovered they&#8217;ve <a href="http://www.redstate.com/blogs/thomas/2007/oct/17/a_fairly_important_note_on_diaries" rel="nofollow">banned discussions of race/genetics/IQ </a> as well. If it&#8217;s not on a fax from the RNC it&#8217;s dangerous to think.
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		<title>by: Elvis Elvisberg</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/10/24/the-ban-revisited/#comment-7938</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I find any post-ban complaining from Paul supporters about censorship a little silly, if only because proper libertarians and conservatives should acknowledge the right of voluntary associations (which is what a community blog is) to govern their memberships as they see fit.&lt;/i&gt;

I disagree with this sentence, Daniel.  Paul supporters should not be claiming that the government must pass a law or issue a condemnation of RedState; rather, they should be claiming that RedState's decision is politically unwise, and unbecoming of a site supposedly dedicated to political discussion.  And as far as I've seen, that's what they're doing (though, this being the Internet, surely someone somewhere has made a contradictory argument). 

One can harshly criticize bad decisions even if the government is not involved. 

And no sane person can be surprised that DailyKos is more astute and consistent than RedState.  I'm not a reader of either, but let's be serious for a second here.  RedState is the fanatical, rigidly politically correct fever swamp that conservatives fantasize DailyKos to be.  It would be unthinkable for Kos to ban, say, Kucinich supporters, even though Obama and Edwards are, I think, more well regarded there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I find any post-ban complaining from Paul supporters about censorship a little silly, if only because proper libertarians and conservatives should acknowledge the right of voluntary associations (which is what a community blog is) to govern their memberships as they see fit.</i></p>
<p>I disagree with this sentence, Daniel.  Paul supporters should not be claiming that the government must pass a law or issue a condemnation of RedState; rather, they should be claiming that RedState&#8217;s decision is politically unwise, and unbecoming of a site supposedly dedicated to political discussion.  And as far as I&#8217;ve seen, that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re doing (though, this being the Internet, surely someone somewhere has made a contradictory argument). </p>
<p>One can harshly criticize bad decisions even if the government is not involved. </p>
<p>And no sane person can be surprised that DailyKos is more astute and consistent than RedState.  I&#8217;m not a reader of either, but let&#8217;s be serious for a second here.  RedState is the fanatical, rigidly politically correct fever swamp that conservatives fantasize DailyKos to be.  It would be unthinkable for Kos to ban, say, Kucinich supporters, even though Obama and Edwards are, I think, more well regarded there.
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