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	<title>Comments on: Disgusting</title>
	<link>http://larison.org/2007/10/09/disgusting/</link>
	<description>n. the principle of good order "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman</description>
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		<title>by: Roach</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/10/09/disgusting/#comment-7815</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>There is something demented and childish (and, if I may say, womanly) about a view of morality that only asks whether the goal is a good one and does not bother to connect ends and means, look to collateral damage, and ask serious questions about the costs (both financial and otherwise).  This is the emotivist problem.

The second problem is one of hyper-rationalism:  all people everywhere are equally deserving of our care and concern.  No.  I care more about my family and my countrymen than Europeans.  And I care more about these folks, my cousins and civilizational fellow-travellers than strange-looking people from the Third World with whom I have little in common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is something demented and childish (and, if I may say, womanly) about a view of morality that only asks whether the goal is a good one and does not bother to connect ends and means, look to collateral damage, and ask serious questions about the costs (both financial and otherwise).  This is the emotivist problem.</p>
<p>The second problem is one of hyper-rationalism:  all people everywhere are equally deserving of our care and concern.  No.  I care more about my family and my countrymen than Europeans.  And I care more about these folks, my cousins and civilizational fellow-travellers than strange-looking people from the Third World with whom I have little in common.
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		<title>by: bsebse</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/10/09/disgusting/#comment-7814</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;out of the admittedly philosophic conviction that human beings are created in God’s image and should not be oppressed or mutilated.&lt;/i&gt;

Does this not scream out for a comparison with circumcision?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>out of the admittedly philosophic conviction that human beings are created in God’s image and should not be oppressed or mutilated.</i></p>
<p>Does this not scream out for a comparison with circumcision?
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		<title>by: black sea</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/10/09/disgusting/#comment-7813</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What makes Gerson's OpEd particularly galling is it's tone of thoughtless moral self-congratulation.  Evidently, facing up to difficult questions is simply an impediment when building a better world.  Who knew that, if  only we stopped thinking, we might make a human paradise of our troubled little sphere?

Gerson asserts that "most people in all places, even the poor and oppressed, are capable of controlling their own affairs and determining their own rulers."

And when these recently oppressed people start "controlling their own affairs," but do so in a manner of which Gerson, or the president, or a coalition of private citizens, disapproves, what then?

Well, there are a great many degrees of response between absolute indifference and military assault. We need to be a little bit more grown up about our own inevitably morally-compromised status, and everybody else's inevitably morally-compromised status, and the need to approach human shortcomings, and even horrors, with a mixture of compassion, clear-sightedness, and humility.  

We seem not to learn much from our own failures, but, if nothing else, Iraq does serve as an ongoing example of the moral and physical dangers inherent in attempting to liberate other societies by imposing upon them our notions of how they should "control their own affairs."  Which of course means controlling their affairs in a manner consistent with whatever our leaders perceive our long-term interests to be.

We have a long history of dressing up our acts of agression and intimidation in morally crusading terms, but then again, so do most other powerful nations.  This may not  do much to win over the recipients of our ethical largesse, but it does help us feel better about ourselves once the blood starts flowing and the doubts emerge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes Gerson&#8217;s OpEd particularly galling is it&#8217;s tone of thoughtless moral self-congratulation.  Evidently, facing up to difficult questions is simply an impediment when building a better world.  Who knew that, if  only we stopped thinking, we might make a human paradise of our troubled little sphere?</p>
<p>Gerson asserts that &#8220;most people in all places, even the poor and oppressed, are capable of controlling their own affairs and determining their own rulers.&#8221;</p>
<p>And when these recently oppressed people start &#8220;controlling their own affairs,&#8221; but do so in a manner of which Gerson, or the president, or a coalition of private citizens, disapproves, what then?</p>
<p>Well, there are a great many degrees of response between absolute indifference and military assault. We need to be a little bit more grown up about our own inevitably morally-compromised status, and everybody else&#8217;s inevitably morally-compromised status, and the need to approach human shortcomings, and even horrors, with a mixture of compassion, clear-sightedness, and humility.  </p>
<p>We seem not to learn much from our own failures, but, if nothing else, Iraq does serve as an ongoing example of the moral and physical dangers inherent in attempting to liberate other societies by imposing upon them our notions of how they should &#8220;control their own affairs.&#8221;  Which of course means controlling their affairs in a manner consistent with whatever our leaders perceive our long-term interests to be.</p>
<p>We have a long history of dressing up our acts of agression and intimidation in morally crusading terms, but then again, so do most other powerful nations.  This may not  do much to win over the recipients of our ethical largesse, but it does help us feel better about ourselves once the blood starts flowing and the doubts emerge.
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		<title>by: sashal</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/10/09/disgusting/#comment-7812</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Daniel,
admirable post.
Concise, precise, exact wording.
I wish you were heard more and in the  more wide spread media outlets...
Is that possible, please....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,<br />
admirable post.<br />
Concise, precise, exact wording.<br />
I wish you were heard more and in the  more wide spread media outlets&#8230;<br />
Is that possible, please&#8230;.
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