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	<title>Comments on: Lessons Learned</title>
	<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/</link>
	<description>n. the principle of good order "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman</description>
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		<title>by: Mellifluous</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7445</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I came here via a link at www.Bartcop.com, a liberal irreverent political comedy site.

For those here, I recommend "The Authoritarians" by Robert Altemeyer. He discusses both authoritarian followers and authroitarian leaders, which are two quite different animals.

The paper can be obtained in either a paper version ($) or a PDF (no $) here:
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came here via a link at <a href='http://www.Bartcop.com,' rel='nofollow'>www.Bartcop.com,</a> a liberal irreverent political comedy site.</p>
<p>For those here, I recommend &#8220;The Authoritarians&#8221; by Robert Altemeyer. He discusses both authoritarian followers and authroitarian leaders, which are two quite different animals.</p>
<p>The paper can be obtained in either a paper version ($) or a PDF (no $) here:<br />
<a href='http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/' rel='nofollow'>http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/</a>
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		<title>by: Evrviglnt</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7432</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7432</guid>
					<description>I can understand the frustration you must feel, but to read through many of the comments that follow your lecture it's obvious the writers need not have spent so much time proving their silliness.  I'll assume so much here is simply rhetorical flourish (by five year olds?), but having liberals lecture conservatives on what conservatism should mean is beyond comedy.    

Many of my impressions of the world around me have changed as I have watched Iraq devolve, and as with every generation that endures its time here, we are bound to be riven by the predictable depravity of human nature.  But the world shrinks, and our eagerness to ignore those who have declared war on us has punishing consequences, and has taught us we can no longer continue to grant them the benefit of the doubt.  Does that mean we traipse around the world in fatigues?  No.  But it also makes no sense to withdraw into intellectual closets - alienating the 'pure' from the unwashed masses of pseudo conservatives you stand on.  Hewing to age old principles means having to teach those principles time and again.  Consider it your duty to the next generation.

If every generation were to stand on the lessons of those before it, it might be that we could recognize the difference between the tyrants and their victims, but our greatest challenge today is the relativism that blinds us.  Today Bush is Hitler, colonialism grants its victims moral defense of atrocity and Winston Churchill is pulled from history lessons.  When the West turns upon itself, it's telling the next generation they're on their own.  Again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand the frustration you must feel, but to read through many of the comments that follow your lecture it&#8217;s obvious the writers need not have spent so much time proving their silliness.  I&#8217;ll assume so much here is simply rhetorical flourish (by five year olds?), but having liberals lecture conservatives on what conservatism should mean is beyond comedy.    </p>
<p>Many of my impressions of the world around me have changed as I have watched Iraq devolve, and as with every generation that endures its time here, we are bound to be riven by the predictable depravity of human nature.  But the world shrinks, and our eagerness to ignore those who have declared war on us has punishing consequences, and has taught us we can no longer continue to grant them the benefit of the doubt.  Does that mean we traipse around the world in fatigues?  No.  But it also makes no sense to withdraw into intellectual closets - alienating the &#8216;pure&#8217; from the unwashed masses of pseudo conservatives you stand on.  Hewing to age old principles means having to teach those principles time and again.  Consider it your duty to the next generation.</p>
<p>If every generation were to stand on the lessons of those before it, it might be that we could recognize the difference between the tyrants and their victims, but our greatest challenge today is the relativism that blinds us.  Today Bush is Hitler, colonialism grants its victims moral defense of atrocity and Winston Churchill is pulled from history lessons.  When the West turns upon itself, it&#8217;s telling the next generation they&#8217;re on their own.  Again.
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		<title>by: mkdelucas</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7429</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well the point of my portentously written post was not to excoriate Dreher--who's doing good work--so much as the ridiculous propaganda system that brought him to prominence.  A visitor from Mars, picking up an American opinion journal for the first time, might expect to find in the world's wealthiest nation a generally high level of intellectual discourse.  Instead he'd read a bunch of writers whose world-views, with a few exceptions, aren't very much more sophisticated than that of your average five year old.  If he was a savvy martian, he might wonder if this was by design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the point of my portentously written post was not to excoriate Dreher&#8211;who&#8217;s doing good work&#8211;so much as the ridiculous propaganda system that brought him to prominence.  A visitor from Mars, picking up an American opinion journal for the first time, might expect to find in the world&#8217;s wealthiest nation a generally high level of intellectual discourse.  Instead he&#8217;d read a bunch of writers whose world-views, with a few exceptions, aren&#8217;t very much more sophisticated than that of your average five year old.  If he was a savvy martian, he might wonder if this was by design.
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		<title>by: Grumpy Old Man</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7428</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7428</guid>
					<description>American exceptionalism and messianic democratism are pretty much enshrined as a creed by now. We absorb it from the coinage and our third grade schoolteachers.

The dissenters on the left are tainted with Bolshevism and &lt;a href="http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1126" rel="nofollow"&gt;oikopobia&lt;/a&gt;. The ones on the right are fairly scarce and often a bit cranky.

Better to slay the fatted calf for Rod upon his change of heart than to upbraid him for having absorbed the national consensus from grade school onwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American exceptionalism and messianic democratism are pretty much enshrined as a creed by now. We absorb it from the coinage and our third grade schoolteachers.</p>
<p>The dissenters on the left are tainted with Bolshevism and <a href="http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1126" rel="nofollow">oikopobia</a>. The ones on the right are fairly scarce and often a bit cranky.</p>
<p>Better to slay the fatted calf for Rod upon his change of heart than to upbraid him for having absorbed the national consensus from grade school onwards.
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		<title>by: mkdelucas</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7423</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7423</guid>
					<description>I appreciate Dreher's re-evaluation and agree with basically everything he now believes.  But I'm irked all the same by the things Dreher confesses to having once believed--or, rather, am bothered that such a believer was paid to expound his beliefs in the first place.  His employers might as well have hired a ten year-old!  Dreher wonders why it is he placed so much faith in the virtue and good-will of the American govt., but a cursory glance at our foreign policy since the turn of the 20th Century reveals much that is on par with the Iraq adventure in terms of cruelty, cynicism and violence.  And of course a basic aquaintance with world history would alleviate even the most casual observer of the conceit that nation-states ever behave otherwise.  And yet Dreher was, is, a man paid to write and opine about politics!  Does Dreher then wonder at all why our nation's discourse is so debased and why his colleagues are so universally stupid and mendacious?  

Again, I appreciate what Dreher is doing.  No doubt he understands that his recent rash of truth-telling is his ticket to professional obscurity.  But the fact that Dreher the writer existed at all is proof enough to me that in a generations time the United States will be at it again, committing aggression on a large scale, to the general applause of its intellectual and commentator class.  The thousands of new Drehers of 2040 will see to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate Dreher&#8217;s re-evaluation and agree with basically everything he now believes.  But I&#8217;m irked all the same by the things Dreher confesses to having once believed&#8211;or, rather, am bothered that such a believer was paid to expound his beliefs in the first place.  His employers might as well have hired a ten year-old!  Dreher wonders why it is he placed so much faith in the virtue and good-will of the American govt., but a cursory glance at our foreign policy since the turn of the 20th Century reveals much that is on par with the Iraq adventure in terms of cruelty, cynicism and violence.  And of course a basic aquaintance with world history would alleviate even the most casual observer of the conceit that nation-states ever behave otherwise.  And yet Dreher was, is, a man paid to write and opine about politics!  Does Dreher then wonder at all why our nation&#8217;s discourse is so debased and why his colleagues are so universally stupid and mendacious?  </p>
<p>Again, I appreciate what Dreher is doing.  No doubt he understands that his recent rash of truth-telling is his ticket to professional obscurity.  But the fact that Dreher the writer existed at all is proof enough to me that in a generations time the United States will be at it again, committing aggression on a large scale, to the general applause of its intellectual and commentator class.  The thousands of new Drehers of 2040 will see to that.
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		<title>by: Grumpy Old Man</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7413</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In fact, they're banging the drums against China and Russia, too.  Gordon Chang has been predicting a catastrophe in China for quite awhile, now, but at the same time touting China as an enemy, not just a rival, as he does  in a recent post on Contentions, that WordPress isn't letting me link to: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/contentions/index.php/chang/690/

The ludicrous Muravchck &lt;a href="http://www.commentarymagazine.com/contentions/index.php/muravchik/153" rel="nofollow"&gt;beats the drums&lt;/a&gt; against Putin. And of course, they're wiaving the bloody blouse of the martyred Politovskaya.

There are sordid aspects to the status quo in China and Russia, neither of which is, or wants to be, part of the West, and &lt;i&gt;realpolitik&lt;/i&gt; teaches us caution with respect to potential rivals. 

Here's where we could use some competent diplomats and some cultural and historical perspective. Instead we are hearing from a bunch of Poly-Sci Henny Pennies and human rights agitators. If you keep running around saying the sky is falling, some day it might.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, they&#8217;re banging the drums against China and Russia, too.  Gordon Chang has been predicting a catastrophe in China for quite awhile, now, but at the same time touting China as an enemy, not just a rival, as he does  in a recent post on Contentions, that WordPress isn&#8217;t letting me link to: <a href='http://www.commentarymagazine.com/contentions/index.php/chang/690/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/contentions/index.php/chang/690/</a></p>
<p>The ludicrous Muravchck <a href="http://www.commentarymagazine.com/contentions/index.php/muravchik/153" rel="nofollow">beats the drums</a> against Putin. And of course, they&#8217;re wiaving the bloody blouse of the martyred Politovskaya.</p>
<p>There are sordid aspects to the status quo in China and Russia, neither of which is, or wants to be, part of the West, and <i>realpolitik</i> teaches us caution with respect to potential rivals. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s where we could use some competent diplomats and some cultural and historical perspective. Instead we are hearing from a bunch of Poly-Sci Henny Pennies and human rights agitators. If you keep running around saying the sky is falling, some day it might.
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		<title>by: Derek Copold</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7412</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Call it bragging, but I pretty much got everything right about Iraq.  The WMD claims were phony (I expected a larger store of 1980s vintage stuff to be found somewhere, but even that was limited to some shells here and there), I expected the guerrilla war, and I expected that the mutton-headed voter would rah-rah the Iraq war at first, when all the whiz-bang war tech was being aired, and then voice regret once it became obvious that war was a bad idea.  The only thing that really surprised me is how long that realization took.  I expected it to cost Bush the election in 2004.  He squeaked by, largely due to Democratic incompetence.

I have to say, though, that I am surprised at the utter chutzpah shown by so many neocons in the face of their obvious policy failures.  Not only do they still think Iraq a good idea, but they want to move on to Iran and Syria!  I thought no one could top Great Society liberals and communists in this department.  Their ideological cousins have shown me otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call it bragging, but I pretty much got everything right about Iraq.  The WMD claims were phony (I expected a larger store of 1980s vintage stuff to be found somewhere, but even that was limited to some shells here and there), I expected the guerrilla war, and I expected that the mutton-headed voter would rah-rah the Iraq war at first, when all the whiz-bang war tech was being aired, and then voice regret once it became obvious that war was a bad idea.  The only thing that really surprised me is how long that realization took.  I expected it to cost Bush the election in 2004.  He squeaked by, largely due to Democratic incompetence.</p>
<p>I have to say, though, that I am surprised at the utter chutzpah shown by so many neocons in the face of their obvious policy failures.  Not only do they still think Iraq a good idea, but they want to move on to Iran and Syria!  I thought no one could top Great Society liberals and communists in this department.  Their ideological cousins have shown me otherwise.
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		<title>by: daninardmore</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7411</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Apparently the computer is still smarter than I am.  My first comment disappeared, as far as I could tell. The second version is the one I prefer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently the computer is still smarter than I am.  My first comment disappeared, as far as I could tell. The second version is the one I prefer.
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		<title>by: daninardmore</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7410</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>For "our Solzhenitsyn", perhaps Mark Twain could serve as a prototype for our foreign ambitions:

http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/twain.htm

As an Oklahoma patriot in this our centennial year of statehood I can think of no better example as a domestic Solzhenitsyn than the work of the late Dr. Angie Debo:

http://www.amazon.com/Still-Waters-Run-Angie-Debo/dp/0691005788

She was a pre-statehood pioneer, and attended the University Of Oklahoma, but in the '30's her doctoral dissertation could only be published outside of the state. As children, my parents were acquainted with some of the villains.

Finally, there is this from Solzhenitsyn himself:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,496003,00.html

Der Spiegel usually presents the expected European leftist view of things, but their website is often interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For &#8220;our Solzhenitsyn&#8221;, perhaps Mark Twain could serve as a prototype for our foreign ambitions:</p>
<p><a href='http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/twain.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/twain.htm</a></p>
<p>As an Oklahoma patriot in this our centennial year of statehood I can think of no better example as a domestic Solzhenitsyn than the work of the late Dr. Angie Debo:</p>
<p><a href='http://www.amazon.com/Still-Waters-Run-Angie-Debo/dp/0691005788' rel='nofollow'>http://www.amazon.com/Still-Waters-Run-Angie-Debo/dp/0691005788</a></p>
<p>She was a pre-statehood pioneer, and attended the University Of Oklahoma, but in the &#8217;30&#8217;s her doctoral dissertation could only be published outside of the state. As children, my parents were acquainted with some of the villains.</p>
<p>Finally, there is this from Solzhenitsyn himself:</p>
<p><a href='http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,496003,00.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,496003,00.html</a></p>
<p>Der Spiegel usually presents the expected European leftist view of things, but their website is often interesting.
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		<title>by: daninardmore</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7409</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>While we're on the subject of a Solzhenitsyn, perhaps Mark Twain could serve as a prototype for our foreign ambitions: http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/twain.htm.  

And the late Dr. Angie Debo documented some of our domestic forays into continental imperialism: http://www.amazon.com/Still-Waters-Run-Angie-Debo/dp/0691005788.

As an Oklahoma patriot, and in this our centennial year of statehood, it pains me to bring Dr. Debo's work to the attention of a larger public, but even here it is no longer unmentionable. As children, my own parents were acquainted with some of the villains. Dr. Debo was a pre-statehood pioneer of Oklahoma herself, and attended the University of Oklahoma, but her doctoral dissertation had to be published first as a commercial book outside of the state. 

And finally, in regard to Solzhenitsyn himself, an interview that should be of interest to all readers of Eunomia:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,496003,00.html


Of course, Der Spiegel usually presents the expected European leftist view of things, but their website is worth a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we&#8217;re on the subject of a Solzhenitsyn, perhaps Mark Twain could serve as a prototype for our foreign ambitions: <a href='http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/twain.htm.' rel='nofollow'>http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/twain.htm.</a>  </p>
<p>And the late Dr. Angie Debo documented some of our domestic forays into continental imperialism: <a href='http://www.amazon.com/Still-Waters-Run-Angie-Debo/dp/0691005788.' rel='nofollow'>http://www.amazon.com/Still-Waters-Run-Angie-Debo/dp/0691005788.</a></p>
<p>As an Oklahoma patriot, and in this our centennial year of statehood, it pains me to bring Dr. Debo&#8217;s work to the attention of a larger public, but even here it is no longer unmentionable. As children, my own parents were acquainted with some of the villains. Dr. Debo was a pre-statehood pioneer of Oklahoma herself, and attended the University of Oklahoma, but her doctoral dissertation had to be published first as a commercial book outside of the state. </p>
<p>And finally, in regard to Solzhenitsyn himself, an interview that should be of interest to all readers of Eunomia:</p>
<p><a href='http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,496003,00.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,496003,00.html</a></p>
<p>Of course, Der Spiegel usually presents the expected European leftist view of things, but their website is worth a look.
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		<title>by: Grumpy Old Man</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7408</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My glass is usually half empty, so I sympathize. 

When I say a Solzhenitsyn I mean someone deeply committed to the culture but also deeply aware of its flaws, who looks at it from spiritual, historic, and literary perspectives. God forbid that we should have to endure Gulag-like suffering to obtain such wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My glass is usually half empty, so I sympathize. </p>
<p>When I say a Solzhenitsyn I mean someone deeply committed to the culture but also deeply aware of its flaws, who looks at it from spiritual, historic, and literary perspectives. God forbid that we should have to endure Gulag-like suffering to obtain such wisdom.
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		<title>by: daninardmore</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7407</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>GOM, I was feeling unusually pessimistic this morning, but now that I've had some coffee, some lunch, and some interaction with everyday life, I will back off from my apocalyptic attitude, and recall my patriotism of local place, family, and times.

I hope we will not need a Solzhenitsyn, but now that we have at least the beginnings of our own Gulag, we'll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOM, I was feeling unusually pessimistic this morning, but now that I&#8217;ve had some coffee, some lunch, and some interaction with everyday life, I will back off from my apocalyptic attitude, and recall my patriotism of local place, family, and times.</p>
<p>I hope we will not need a Solzhenitsyn, but now that we have at least the beginnings of our own Gulag, we&#8217;ll see.
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		<title>by: ottovbvs</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7406</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hello. Reading this mea culpa, if that's what it is, sounds unbelieveably wet. Politics is never been chopped liver, but it must have been obvious that things took a serious turn for the worse in the early nineties. Just take a look at the rhetoric of Gingrich, DeLay et al not to mention the bunch of crazy right wing pundits who sprouted like weeds. The whole assault on Clinton, which went off in to Nutland, and was almost entirely specious or at the very least a completely over the top reaction to what were fairly minor sins. And then there's Rovianism which is essentially based on polarizing the electorate and demonizing your opponents. The consequence has been a sort of Gresham's Law of politics where truth and good faith have essentially been forced out by lies and distortions. Go read some of the postings by so called conservative commentators at sites like "The Corner" and quite apart from the incredibly juvenile tone of much of it, coming of course mainly from college educated "intellectuals" who could never be elected dog catcher, and it confirms these people are totally out of contact with reality. They are certainly not conservatives in the traditional sense. Unfortunately, they are fairly accurate representation of the type of people running the Republican party today. There are signs the party is starting to come apart as the pragmatic business part of it starts to realize that a bunch of nut cases have grabbed the steering wheel. I personally believe the GOP is going to sustain a defeat of historic proportions next year. It's probably necessary if the party is going to get back in the mainstream but the guys manning the ramparts aren't going to go easily so we can expect a lot of blood on the carpet. Of one thing I'm sure, and that is if the dominant philosophy in the party remains unchanged and committed to opposing good govt, stem cell research, curbing global warming, recognizing reality in Iraq, etc etc. the GOP is going into a prolonged perioud of eclipse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. Reading this mea culpa, if that&#8217;s what it is, sounds unbelieveably wet. Politics is never been chopped liver, but it must have been obvious that things took a serious turn for the worse in the early nineties. Just take a look at the rhetoric of Gingrich, DeLay et al not to mention the bunch of crazy right wing pundits who sprouted like weeds. The whole assault on Clinton, which went off in to Nutland, and was almost entirely specious or at the very least a completely over the top reaction to what were fairly minor sins. And then there&#8217;s Rovianism which is essentially based on polarizing the electorate and demonizing your opponents. The consequence has been a sort of Gresham&#8217;s Law of politics where truth and good faith have essentially been forced out by lies and distortions. Go read some of the postings by so called conservative commentators at sites like &#8220;The Corner&#8221; and quite apart from the incredibly juvenile tone of much of it, coming of course mainly from college educated &#8220;intellectuals&#8221; who could never be elected dog catcher, and it confirms these people are totally out of contact with reality. They are certainly not conservatives in the traditional sense. Unfortunately, they are fairly accurate representation of the type of people running the Republican party today. There are signs the party is starting to come apart as the pragmatic business part of it starts to realize that a bunch of nut cases have grabbed the steering wheel. I personally believe the GOP is going to sustain a defeat of historic proportions next year. It&#8217;s probably necessary if the party is going to get back in the mainstream but the guys manning the ramparts aren&#8217;t going to go easily so we can expect a lot of blood on the carpet. Of one thing I&#8217;m sure, and that is if the dominant philosophy in the party remains unchanged and committed to opposing good govt, stem cell research, curbing global warming, recognizing reality in Iraq, etc etc. the GOP is going into a prolonged perioud of eclipse.
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		<title>by: Grumpy Old Man</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7405</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I wouldn't say it's an "utter disaster," any more than I would say it's a "shining city on a hill."  It's a human enterprise undertaken by fallen and flawed human beings, and yet, it has its merits.

Foreign adventures can damage us morally, promote economic and political centralization and repression.  Indeed, they have done so. We need a sober assessment of our virtues and our flaws, animated by a realistic patriotism. 

Where is our Solzhenitsyn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say it&#8217;s an &#8220;utter disaster,&#8221; any more than I would say it&#8217;s a &#8220;shining city on a hill.&#8221;  It&#8217;s a human enterprise undertaken by fallen and flawed human beings, and yet, it has its merits.</p>
<p>Foreign adventures can damage us morally, promote economic and political centralization and repression.  Indeed, they have done so. We need a sober assessment of our virtues and our flaws, animated by a realistic patriotism. </p>
<p>Where is our Solzhenitsyn?
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		<title>by: daninardmore</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7404</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, since at least the Mexican War, Americans--or at least enough of them for the government's purposes--have gleefully trooped off to whatever war the government has decided to start or get involved in, with flags flying, bands playing, and crowds cheering, with most of the press and entertainment industry happily serving as the government's propaganda mouthpiece. (Who needs a Goebbels when you've got Harriette Beecher Stowe, Randolph Hearst, Hollywood, and Rupert Murdoch?)

And those who feared that our constitutional republic would not survive territorial expansion beyond the Mississippi were all too prescient, although leaving those areas in French, Mexican, and British control would not have stopped the "Westering" impulse of Americans to create a continental empire.

I admit it has only been in the last few years that my own eyes have become opened to the utter disaster that is our country, but the evidence has always been there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since at least the Mexican War, Americans&#8211;or at least enough of them for the government&#8217;s purposes&#8211;have gleefully trooped off to whatever war the government has decided to start or get involved in, with flags flying, bands playing, and crowds cheering, with most of the press and entertainment industry happily serving as the government&#8217;s propaganda mouthpiece. (Who needs a Goebbels when you&#8217;ve got Harriette Beecher Stowe, Randolph Hearst, Hollywood, and Rupert Murdoch?)</p>
<p>And those who feared that our constitutional republic would not survive territorial expansion beyond the Mississippi were all too prescient, although leaving those areas in French, Mexican, and British control would not have stopped the &#8220;Westering&#8221; impulse of Americans to create a continental empire.</p>
<p>I admit it has only been in the last few years that my own eyes have become opened to the utter disaster that is our country, but the evidence has always been there.
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		<title>by: RickTaylor</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7402</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"2)  One of my other false beliefs connected to this was that most conservatives were conservatives first and GOP partisans second (if at all), and would therefore be just as outraged by GOP government activism and overreach as they had been in the 1990s"

Thanks for a a thought provoking post. Just to add to your point 2, what really woke me up to conservatism being about the GOP and not about principle was seeing the little purple bandaids at the Republican convention making fun of John Kerry's purple heart, and the supreme lack of interest in the outing of a CIA agent amongst nearly all conservative commentators. Respect for the military and for service, contempt for treason, it turned out none of that mattered unless it could be used to bash the liberal operation.

--Rick Taylor</description>
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<p>Thanks for a a thought provoking post. Just to add to your point 2, what really woke me up to conservatism being about the GOP and not about principle was seeing the little purple bandaids at the Republican convention making fun of John Kerry&#8217;s purple heart, and the supreme lack of interest in the outing of a CIA agent amongst nearly all conservative commentators. Respect for the military and for service, contempt for treason, it turned out none of that mattered unless it could be used to bash the liberal operation.</p>
<p>&#8211;Rick Taylor
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		<title>by: sashal</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7401</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larison.org/2007/07/24/lessons-learned/#comment-7401</guid>
					<description>wonderfull post.
I love your blog, Daniel. More then any other blogs


Russian liberal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wonderfull post.<br />
I love your blog, Daniel. More then any other blogs</p>
<p>Russian liberal
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