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	<link>http://larison.org/2007/01/14/lies-damn-lies-and-charges-of-anti-semitism/</link>
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		<title>by: Christopher Hayes</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/01/14/lies-damn-lies-and-charges-of-anti-semitism/#comment-5418</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Daniel - 
Thanks for the heads up.

GOM -
Now that PC isn't getting the media it used to, I wonder if we'll start seeing a marked increase in the accusations of "veiled bigotry", just so they can keep their faces seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel -<br />
Thanks for the heads up.</p>
<p>GOM -<br />
Now that PC isn&#8217;t getting the media it used to, I wonder if we&#8217;ll start seeing a marked increase in the accusations of &#8220;veiled bigotry&#8221;, just so they can keep their faces seen.
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		<title>by: Grumpy Old Man</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/01/14/lies-damn-lies-and-charges-of-anti-semitism/#comment-5416</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larison.org/2007/01/14/lies-damn-lies-and-charges-of-anti-semitism/#comment-5416</guid>
					<description>It's a strange sort of antisemitism that has to be teased out of public utterances and the affiliations of political supporters. Semi-secret antisemitism? You wouldn't have to debate whether someone like Father Coughlin was an antisemite; it was part of his stock in trade. Antisemitism, I guess, no longer resembles pornography, in that you may not know it when you see it.

What is the meaning of a &lt;i&gt;semisecret&lt;/i&gt; antisemtism? A Nixon would make hostile remarks about the Jews, but appointed the first Jewish Secretary of State and rescued Israel with arms shipments in 1973, because he concluded it was in the U.S. interest to do so.  He may have privately disliked Jews, at least in the abstract, but that's something far different from antisemitic agitation or politics.

There's a notion about that some of the War Party are friends of the Israeli Likud, which happens to be true, but I haven't heard any serious war opponent argue that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are puppets of the hapless Bibi Netanyahu, and that's why they started a war in Iraq and then screwed it up. 

The real argument is about the national interest, which includes the question of whether our alliance with Israel is too close (it is, in my view), something Israel's supporters often find easier to meet with charges about antisemitism than on the merits. It is unfortunate in this climate that a Buchanan indulges in snark about the "amen corner", Justice Ginsburg and the nonexistent Brandeis football team, because it helps dye this herring red.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a strange sort of antisemitism that has to be teased out of public utterances and the affiliations of political supporters. Semi-secret antisemitism? You wouldn&#8217;t have to debate whether someone like Father Coughlin was an antisemite; it was part of his stock in trade. Antisemitism, I guess, no longer resembles pornography, in that you may not know it when you see it.</p>
<p>What is the meaning of a <i>semisecret</i> antisemtism? A Nixon would make hostile remarks about the Jews, but appointed the first Jewish Secretary of State and rescued Israel with arms shipments in 1973, because he concluded it was in the U.S. interest to do so.  He may have privately disliked Jews, at least in the abstract, but that&#8217;s something far different from antisemitic agitation or politics.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a notion about that some of the War Party are friends of the Israeli Likud, which happens to be true, but I haven&#8217;t heard any serious war opponent argue that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are puppets of the hapless Bibi Netanyahu, and that&#8217;s why they started a war in Iraq and then screwed it up. </p>
<p>The real argument is about the national interest, which includes the question of whether our alliance with Israel is too close (it is, in my view), something Israel&#8217;s supporters often find easier to meet with charges about antisemitism than on the merits. It is unfortunate in this climate that a Buchanan indulges in snark about the &#8220;amen corner&#8221;, Justice Ginsburg and the nonexistent Brandeis football team, because it helps dye this herring red.
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		<title>by: Daniel Larison</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/01/14/lies-damn-lies-and-charges-of-anti-semitism/#comment-5414</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larison.org/2007/01/14/lies-damn-lies-and-charges-of-anti-semitism/#comment-5414</guid>
					<description>I was debating whether to dignify Spog's comment with a response.  I'll make it fairly brief.  Regurgitating the very same false accusations and misrepresentations against Mr. Buchanan and others that Frum et al. have made over the years is the extent of the "proof" against Mr. Buchanan and other paleoconservatives.  In other words, keep repeating a baseless charge and then cite others who make that charge as proof that the charge has validity.  If a lie is repeated often enough--and if it is put into articles that can be found on the Web--it somehow appears to be true to some people.  What is naive in the extreme is to take the word of Buckley or Safire or anyone else's polemical use of the anti-Semite label as a statement about the actual beliefs of Mr. Buchanan and those who share his political and policy views.  Consider the sources of these charges and consider the motives of those making such charges.  Virtually every one of them is using it to advance his preferred policies and is seeking to discredit non-interventionist and America First arguments, among others, by tarring their proponents as vile bigots.  These are outrageous lies, pure and simple.  To buy into their claims is to follow the script Buchanan's enemies have written for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was debating whether to dignify Spog&#8217;s comment with a response.  I&#8217;ll make it fairly brief.  Regurgitating the very same false accusations and misrepresentations against Mr. Buchanan and others that Frum et al. have made over the years is the extent of the &#8220;proof&#8221; against Mr. Buchanan and other paleoconservatives.  In other words, keep repeating a baseless charge and then cite others who make that charge as proof that the charge has validity.  If a lie is repeated often enough&#8211;and if it is put into articles that can be found on the Web&#8211;it somehow appears to be true to some people.  What is naive in the extreme is to take the word of Buckley or Safire or anyone else&#8217;s polemical use of the anti-Semite label as a statement about the actual beliefs of Mr. Buchanan and those who share his political and policy views.  Consider the sources of these charges and consider the motives of those making such charges.  Virtually every one of them is using it to advance his preferred policies and is seeking to discredit non-interventionist and America First arguments, among others, by tarring their proponents as vile bigots.  These are outrageous lies, pure and simple.  To buy into their claims is to follow the script Buchanan&#8217;s enemies have written for you.
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		<title>by: Christopher Hayes</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/01/14/lies-damn-lies-and-charges-of-anti-semitism/#comment-5404</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larison.org/2007/01/14/lies-damn-lies-and-charges-of-anti-semitism/#comment-5404</guid>
					<description>If you'd like to see more extremist views, you could read the comments at http://larison.org/2007/01/17/obamarama/  
Roach (Chris Roach I believe) is yet to name his accomplices as of now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;d like to see more extremist views, you could read the comments at <a href='http://larison.org/2007/01/17/obamarama/' rel='nofollow'>http://larison.org/2007/01/17/obamarama/</a><br />
Roach (Chris Roach I believe) is yet to name his accomplices as of now.
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		<title>by: Mr. Spog</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2007/01/14/lies-damn-lies-and-charges-of-anti-semitism/#comment-5374</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larison.org/2007/01/14/lies-damn-lies-and-charges-of-anti-semitism/#comment-5374</guid>
					<description>Mr. Larison -- Your article, in which you condemn charges of 
anti-semitism within the Right as "baseless", "despicable", 
"spurious" and "disgusting", and do not appear to think that 
they are even worthy of a reasoned response, prompted me to 
Google " 'anti-semitic' 'Pat Buchanan' " to see more specifically 
what the fuss might be about. (Dreher presumably had 
Buchanan prominently in mind when he referred to 
anti-Semitism on the Right.) This exercise gives an impressive 99,400 results. 

In the very first of these
(http://www.mtsu.edu/~baustin/buchanan.html),
we learn, for example, that Buchanan has demonstrated an unhealthy interest in the question of whether diesel exhaust as used at Treblinka could really have been effective in killing Jews, as claimed by historians; that he is credited with penning Ronald Reagan's line that dead SS troops 
were "victims just as surely as the victims in the concentration 
camps"; and that his 1996 campaign website for a time alleged 
that Hillary Clinton was a Mossad spy. A little further down the results page
(http://www.realchange.org/buchanan.htm), we find in a 1996 article that 
"William F. Buckley, Joshua Muravchik (a scholar at the 
American Enterprise Institute) and William Safire (Pat's fellow 
speech writer on the Nixon staff) have all concluded that 
Buchanan showed consistent (if carefully worded) hostility 
toward Jews throughout his public statements." Safire believed 
that "Buchanan is an extremist whose anti-Semitism would rank 
at level four or five -- on a scale that has Adolf Hitler at 10 and 
Black Muslim leader Rev. Louis Farrakhan as a seven." And 
"William F. Buckley reluctantly concluded that Buchanan was 
an anti-Semite after carefully reviewing dozens of his statements 
about Jews in a very long National Review article." The same 
article also notes that "when [Buchanan] attacks the Supreme 
Court, he always names 'Ruth (pause) Bader (pause) Ginsburg', 
though she is the newest and least influential member. When he 
attacks Wall Street investment firms, he always names Goldman 
Sachs, the only major Jewish-run firm in a WASP dominated 
industry."  It seems that Buchanan has also prominently 
defended a number of accused Nazi war criminals in the United 
States. This article also has an extensive discussion of 
Buchanan's Holocaust revisionism, followed by one of 
Buchanan's habit of hiring as "trusted staff members" people 
with ties to anti-semitic white supremacists such as David Duke.

In light of this kind of material, it will not do simply to shrug off 
allegations of anti-Semitism on the Right. To do so makes you 
look naive at best. The reputation of the paleoconservative 
Right for harboring anti-Semitism is, I imagine, extremely 
damaging for paleoconservativism, which might otherwise be 
able to attract support from disaffected old-style liberals. To 
dismiss such reasonable concerns out of hand, as you do here, 
serves to aggravate this problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Larison &#8212; Your article, in which you condemn charges of<br />
anti-semitism within the Right as &#8220;baseless&#8221;, &#8220;despicable&#8221;,<br />
&#8220;spurious&#8221; and &#8220;disgusting&#8221;, and do not appear to think that<br />
they are even worthy of a reasoned response, prompted me to<br />
Google &#8221; &#8216;anti-semitic&#8217; &#8216;Pat Buchanan&#8217; &#8221; to see more specifically<br />
what the fuss might be about. (Dreher presumably had<br />
Buchanan prominently in mind when he referred to<br />
anti-Semitism on the Right.) This exercise gives an impressive 99,400 results. </p>
<p>In the very first of these<br />
(http://www.mtsu.edu/~baustin/buchanan.html),<br />
we learn, for example, that Buchanan has demonstrated an unhealthy interest in the question of whether diesel exhaust as used at Treblinka could really have been effective in killing Jews, as claimed by historians; that he is credited with penning Ronald Reagan&#8217;s line that dead SS troops<br />
were &#8220;victims just as surely as the victims in the concentration<br />
camps&#8221;; and that his 1996 campaign website for a time alleged<br />
that Hillary Clinton was a Mossad spy. A little further down the results page<br />
(http://www.realchange.org/buchanan.htm), we find in a 1996 article that<br />
&#8220;William F. Buckley, Joshua Muravchik (a scholar at the<br />
American Enterprise Institute) and William Safire (Pat&#8217;s fellow<br />
speech writer on the Nixon staff) have all concluded that<br />
Buchanan showed consistent (if carefully worded) hostility<br />
toward Jews throughout his public statements.&#8221; Safire believed<br />
that &#8220;Buchanan is an extremist whose anti-Semitism would rank<br />
at level four or five &#8212; on a scale that has Adolf Hitler at 10 and<br />
Black Muslim leader Rev. Louis Farrakhan as a seven.&#8221; And<br />
&#8220;William F. Buckley reluctantly concluded that Buchanan was<br />
an anti-Semite after carefully reviewing dozens of his statements<br />
about Jews in a very long National Review article.&#8221; The same<br />
article also notes that &#8220;when [Buchanan] attacks the Supreme<br />
Court, he always names &#8216;Ruth (pause) Bader (pause) Ginsburg&#8217;,<br />
though she is the newest and least influential member. When he<br />
attacks Wall Street investment firms, he always names Goldman<br />
Sachs, the only major Jewish-run firm in a WASP dominated<br />
industry.&#8221;  It seems that Buchanan has also prominently<br />
defended a number of accused Nazi war criminals in the United<br />
States. This article also has an extensive discussion of<br />
Buchanan&#8217;s Holocaust revisionism, followed by one of<br />
Buchanan&#8217;s habit of hiring as &#8220;trusted staff members&#8221; people<br />
with ties to anti-semitic white supremacists such as David Duke.</p>
<p>In light of this kind of material, it will not do simply to shrug off<br />
allegations of anti-Semitism on the Right. To do so makes you<br />
look naive at best. The reputation of the paleoconservative<br />
Right for harboring anti-Semitism is, I imagine, extremely<br />
damaging for paleoconservativism, which might otherwise be<br />
able to attract support from disaffected old-style liberals. To<br />
dismiss such reasonable concerns out of hand, as you do here,<br />
serves to aggravate this problem.
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