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	<title>Comments on: Truly Baffling</title>
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	<description>n. the principle of good order "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman</description>
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		<title>by: A.K.B. Cusack</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2006/12/11/truly-baffling/#comment-5233</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My "worship team" is the Communion of Saints.


... sorry, is that too much of a t-shirt slogan?</description>
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<p>&#8230; sorry, is that too much of a t-shirt slogan?
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		<title>by: daninardmore</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2006/12/11/truly-baffling/#comment-5229</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree with Kitty. The classic hymnal I grew up with in the First Baptist Church, and its more-or-less clones in the other Protestant denominations, is perhaps the greatest spiritual treasure this particular religious tradition has to offer, where pretty much everything else depends on the personal magnetism and public speaking ability of the pastor. It is a tragedy that so many young would-be Christians know or care for nothing but the insipid soft rock of the "praise" services and rallies or revivals or whatever they are.

Another thing I have noticed for years that makes me think Protestantism--inexorably following its own internal logic-- is cracking up and vaporising into a spiritual wilderness: whenever some "New Life" church finally raises enough money to move out of the converted Sav-A-Lot or former Wal-Mart and build their own facility, it invariably is indistinguishable from an anonymous corporate building or industrial park warehouse. This from people who claim the mantle of those who built Hagia Sophia and Notre Dame?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Kitty. The classic hymnal I grew up with in the First Baptist Church, and its more-or-less clones in the other Protestant denominations, is perhaps the greatest spiritual treasure this particular religious tradition has to offer, where pretty much everything else depends on the personal magnetism and public speaking ability of the pastor. It is a tragedy that so many young would-be Christians know or care for nothing but the insipid soft rock of the &#8220;praise&#8221; services and rallies or revivals or whatever they are.</p>
<p>Another thing I have noticed for years that makes me think Protestantism&#8211;inexorably following its own internal logic&#8211; is cracking up and vaporising into a spiritual wilderness: whenever some &#8220;New Life&#8221; church finally raises enough money to move out of the converted Sav-A-Lot or former Wal-Mart and build their own facility, it invariably is indistinguishable from an anonymous corporate building or industrial park warehouse. This from people who claim the mantle of those who built Hagia Sophia and Notre Dame?
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		<title>by: Kitty</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2006/12/11/truly-baffling/#comment-5224</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, and for what it's worth, I adore old harmony Gospel of the Jordanaires type.  In fact, Gospel music saved my soul.  Back in my middle twenties, I became involved in Wicca -- long story, but mainly a bad boss and a delightful coworker.  Said coworker was a priestess, and gave me books to study.  I attended my one and only ritual with a coven, and was beyond appalled at the dreck that they misnamed "music."  I couldn't give up 'Amazing Grace' or Christmas carols or 'Stand Up, Stand Up for Jesus" unless I got something much better, which this wasn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and for what it&#8217;s worth, I adore old harmony Gospel of the Jordanaires type.  In fact, Gospel music saved my soul.  Back in my middle twenties, I became involved in Wicca &#8212; long story, but mainly a bad boss and a delightful coworker.  Said coworker was a priestess, and gave me books to study.  I attended my one and only ritual with a coven, and was beyond appalled at the dreck that they misnamed &#8220;music.&#8221;  I couldn&#8217;t give up &#8216;Amazing Grace&#8217; or Christmas carols or &#8216;Stand Up, Stand Up for Jesus&#8221; unless I got something much better, which this wasn&#8217;t.
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		<title>by: Kitty</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2006/12/11/truly-baffling/#comment-5223</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm a product of a very formal Presbyterian church, and am at present a member of another one, and the "worship team" thing is as foreign to my experience as it is to yours.  I think this arose from the practice of touring evangelists using Gospel singers, whose music is closer to popular forms.  Think "Jordanaires" here.  Popular music has been used in Protestant services ever since Charles Wesley and his famous crack about the Devil getting all the best tunes.  Still, there's a wide gap between "There Is a Fountain Filled With Blood" or "O For A Thousand Tongues to Sing" and using movie clips in worship.  The music may have had a dance beat, but the rest of the service was generally pretty solemn.  

I think worship teams represent an attempt to recreate the revival experience every Sunday, which seems to me to rather miss the point of having revivals at all.  The old-fashioned tent meeting was a spectacle, but was so separated from quotidian existence that it didn't intrude, and no one thought it should until the 1970's.  People lost entirely what it was that a revival revived, but they still liked the guitars, so some churches decided to try it once a week.   They have an event that appeals to their emotions, but does nothing to elevate or enlighten them.  I'm afraid that the habit of ecstatic worship acts like a herion habit; it takes more spectacle to produce the same high.  Eventually it becomes impossible to obtain greater spectacle, so the members drift away unsatisfied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a product of a very formal Presbyterian church, and am at present a member of another one, and the &#8220;worship team&#8221; thing is as foreign to my experience as it is to yours.  I think this arose from the practice of touring evangelists using Gospel singers, whose music is closer to popular forms.  Think &#8220;Jordanaires&#8221; here.  Popular music has been used in Protestant services ever since Charles Wesley and his famous crack about the Devil getting all the best tunes.  Still, there&#8217;s a wide gap between &#8220;There Is a Fountain Filled With Blood&#8221; or &#8220;O For A Thousand Tongues to Sing&#8221; and using movie clips in worship.  The music may have had a dance beat, but the rest of the service was generally pretty solemn.  </p>
<p>I think worship teams represent an attempt to recreate the revival experience every Sunday, which seems to me to rather miss the point of having revivals at all.  The old-fashioned tent meeting was a spectacle, but was so separated from quotidian existence that it didn&#8217;t intrude, and no one thought it should until the 1970&#8217;s.  People lost entirely what it was that a revival revived, but they still liked the guitars, so some churches decided to try it once a week.   They have an event that appeals to their emotions, but does nothing to elevate or enlighten them.  I&#8217;m afraid that the habit of ecstatic worship acts like a herion habit; it takes more spectacle to produce the same high.  Eventually it becomes impossible to obtain greater spectacle, so the members drift away unsatisfied.
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		<title>by: Jon Luker</title>
		<link>http://larison.org/2006/12/11/truly-baffling/#comment-5216</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Not only am I familiar with worship teams, I was, in my younger days a member of one.  Your assumption about these folks being "terribly well-meaning" is a good one.  In my case, I played keyboards for several manifestations of "praise bands" in my time and in most of those situations, the amount of "roadie" type work involved to pull it off could only be characterized as a labor of love.  But, as you point out, and I came to realize once my experience in that world reached its apex in a "buster-generation" (supposedly post boomer-generation) "seeker-driven" "church" held in a rented movie theater (!), complete with rock music and even video clips of popular movies to introduce sermons, that this was spectacle, not worship.

I now, happily, participate in what the Reformed tradition refers to as Covenant Renewal Liturgy, which is a weekly feast (literally - you wouldn't believe how infrequent the Eucharist/Lord's Supper is observed in most Protestant churches) for my soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only am I familiar with worship teams, I was, in my younger days a member of one.  Your assumption about these folks being &#8220;terribly well-meaning&#8221; is a good one.  In my case, I played keyboards for several manifestations of &#8220;praise bands&#8221; in my time and in most of those situations, the amount of &#8220;roadie&#8221; type work involved to pull it off could only be characterized as a labor of love.  But, as you point out, and I came to realize once my experience in that world reached its apex in a &#8220;buster-generation&#8221; (supposedly post boomer-generation) &#8220;seeker-driven&#8221; &#8220;church&#8221; held in a rented movie theater (!), complete with rock music and even video clips of popular movies to introduce sermons, that this was spectacle, not worship.</p>
<p>I now, happily, participate in what the Reformed tradition refers to as Covenant Renewal Liturgy, which is a weekly feast (literally - you wouldn&#8217;t believe how infrequent the Eucharist/Lord&#8217;s Supper is observed in most Protestant churches) for my soul.
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